How much Purines in Jake?

[mjh]

Hi,

I am a recent Jake convert, a bit over a month now. My main focus is to help control my food intake in a sustainable way - I am about 2 stone over weight.
I get Jake Light which with the exception of celery and other bits of salad is my sole diet during the week.
At the weekend I eat more freely.

Last Sunday I woke up with an unimaginable level of pain in my foot which it transpires is gout. My brother has suffered from gout and my father has had kidney stones (which I have read is not unrelated.). Most of what I read suggests that there is a very strong genetic component to gout.

Once you have gout you are strongly advised to reduce your purine intake - I have never heard of purines before and I am working from the list in this file: http://www.ukgoutsociety.org/docs/goutsociety-allaboutgoutanddiet-0113.pdf

My inspection of the ingredients in jake suggests to me that it should be an excellent gout diet but I would really appreciate the input of others more qualified than myself.
I have spoken to my GP who recommends a healthy diet free of dark meat and beer.

Thanks.

[Nico]

Interesting.

I have a friend with gout who's main focus is to drink enough liquid (not alcohol). His doctor explained to him that the onset of the attacks is in relationship with the concentration of purines in your blood. Did not discuss Jake with him though, gonna ask him what he thinks of it.

[Patrick]

Seems like Jake would be perfect. Except maybe for oats, which are known to have some purines, but some sources say that oatmeal is in fact good for you in a gout diet https://goutandyou.com/gout-and-oatmeal/

[mjh]

Thanks for the replies and good information.

I had not heard about Oats being a source of Purines, I am looking into this.
I have not spoken about it with my doctor either. The way I see it Jake is providing me with a healthy complete diet. Please let me know if you get any more information.

I had kind of hoped that an employee of jake would have replied. Being dieticians this should be pretty simple to answer.

[Frank_Official]

Hi @mjh, welcome! I'm sorry to hear you've just had to endure that. There are some things you can do to lower the risk of a gout attack. Here are the most important steps you can take to either increase the excretion of uric acid or to decrease your consumption of purines:

The first is to limit your alcohol consumption (all), especially beer. Lose weight until you've reached your recommended weight. And ultimately, always drink enough water. About 2-3 litres per day not counting the water in Jake itself.

Only about a third of the uric acid comes from the breakdown of purines that come from your diet. In this regard, it may help to avoid the high purine foods mentioned in the UKGoutSociety .pdf you linked above.

Jake seems to be gout-friendly. However, please note that Jake is not intended to treat, cure or prevent any disease. We always advise consulting your doctor/GP if you are in doubt, especially if your medical situation requires a specific diet.

[mjh]

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the response.

Gout does appear to be one of those things which has been with us since, well, forever and is yet poorly catered (pardon the pun) for.

Until recently I was blissfully unaware that a food family called purines even existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purine
I have had the opportunity to talk to other sufferers and they broadly agree with the advice from the UK Gout Society in that dark meat and beer are best to be consumed in limited amounts. One chap swears by cider vinegar which he drinks a shot of each day.

Peas are noted as being higher in Purines than might be expected. Jake Lite contains protein extracted from peas but I assume that as it is just the protein this is unlikely to be an issue.

Consumption of dairy is considered to reduce the chance of a gout flare up. So I intend to consume one of my 3 Jake Lite shakes mixed with skimmed milk in place of water.

I think that I might add to this thread in the future should I learn anything more - as you say Jake is not a medication but it is good to have individual's experience available for consideration by others.

Thanks again.

Matthew.

[Mayor]

Ah, the ancient all-curing elixir called apple cider vinegar. It's great, it really is. Just please don't shot it as vinegar is way too acidic to take straight. Just dilute with water. You'll get the exact same stuff in, without having to burn away your teeth and throat while you're at it. Also, it's recommended (don't know if scientific) to use the vinegar with the mother still in it.

[Nico]

@mjh I actually convinced my friend to try Jake and see if he has a difference in reaction to his gout. He did not have any attack for years due to his stable and regulated diet (which consists of drinking atleast 3 liters of water a day), so he was a bit reluctant at first. He has tried it a few times and is actually pretty positive. Although he had to get used to the texture, and the weird feeling of being full after drinking something, he thought liquid food was a benefit for his gout anyway. Normally when eating he would drink the most, to reduce the purine spike, and he assumed liquid food would help with this.

He is now considering switching up his diet a bit, maybe add a Jake somewhere.

Would be great if you could share your experiences, especially for people with gout who are looking for alternative diets. It helps to read the first-hand experience of other patients in estimating if the product you might be interested in, would make a good match with your disease.